So Beginning according to A - Once there was nothing, unto the nothing a unicorn was born, this unicorn waved his magic horn and the world was created. The world was perfect, and then God came along with good intentions but gave us free will... that’s when it all went tits up.
That is not quite word for word but you get where A was coming from. As you can see this entry is about creation stories, in particular the Christian as that is the one we are most familiar with. Back to free will...
So by giving us free will 'God' has instantly gone against the idea he is a kind god, as free will has obviously caused some of the most awful problems in this world, in fact all of them apart from natural disasters (but then that's God punishing countries for making deals with the devil a hundred years ago). However if he did not give free will it would be dictatorship which is also not kind, so God was really between a rock and a hard place with this decision.
So if we assume that giving humanity was the good and kind thing to do, why create an eternal Hell/Heaven knowing people will be punished for all eternity for something you did doesn't sound particularly kind or all loving to me.
A: Hell is in Uranus...Lets ignore A's contribution.
Some people say that 'No one gets into Hell, they choose to go there', yes sign me up to an eternity burning in the depths of hell, wait that doesn't sound that good a holiday, so who is willing to CHOOSE to go to Hell, this is just people trying to put blame onto individuals and away from God, Hell is an unjust system.
Again, we hit the subjective problem, everyone has an idea of justice different from others. But in my book I don't believe that someone should burn for all time without relief for petty theft.
All creation stories are people from different cultures and times trying to rationalise why we are here and why good and evil exist. They are just metaphors and should not be taken seriously, we are saying our world was created by a system thought up 6000 years ago... I am stopping that train of thought there.
Ok so the story of Adam and Eve came from the mouth of the creator, so either you make yourself oblivious to or ignore the evidence to the contrary. All creation stories are world centric; there is very very rarely any mention that a god created the other planets. These stories are from a time where the existence of the universe was not known, so if it is a story from the all knowing creator, why didn't he mention them? A: Leprechauns made the planets from the blueprints the Munchkins made...again ignoring.
When people claim that the world and stars are 6000 years old they completely contradict what we know of natural laws and the fact that it takes billions of years for the light from certain stars to reach us, are all scientists wrong?
A: Why can't there be something like Chubaka on other planets?
Sam Idarnis (that might be wrong) says that 'If someone claimed that they were speaking to God though a hairdryer, everyone would say they were mad, but no one thinks that if you claim you speak to God through pray. The only difference is the hairdryer.'
If God created us as special, specifically humans no other beings, then why bother making the rest of the universe????? And quite honestly, he could have created something better than the earth we have, if we are all made in his image, quite honestly I dread ever meeting him!
The concept of creating a 'perfect' world is impossible, one persons Utopia could be another's Dystopia, it doesn't help matters that utopia means 'nowhere' in the first place.
Evolution is a huge thing here; there is so much evolutionary evidence against the bible that I am not even going to begin to go into it. I don't see how people can believe that dinosaurs are dragons from the medieval times, when the knight won his spurs? A: Yes, but where are his spurs?
Thanks to everyone in this conversation, particularly A, with her... unique view of the world.
Thais
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